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Deborah Lehr

Straight Talk with Hank Paulson

US-China Relations, the Economy, and National Security with Ely Ratner & Evan Feigenbaum

Paulson Institute Nature’s Ledger explores how business and conservation can work together for a sustainable and prosperous future. Host Deborah Lehr, Vice Chairman and Executive Director of the Paulson Institute, speaks with inspiring guests to spotlight people, projects, and solutions that prove nature is an asset we can’t afford to lose. Grounded in the belief that valuing nature is key to resilient economies, the podcast shares bold ideas and real-world actions to regenerate the planet.

In the second episode, Hank speaks with two leading experts on US-China relations, Ely Ratner and Evan Feigenbaum. They discuss a current framework for the US-China relationship, how the US can properly balance national security with economic progress, and where the US can achieve positive results while navigating a number of important conflicts with China.

Host

Henry M. Paulson Jr.

Henry M. Paulson Jr.

Founder and Chairman | Paulson Institute

Henry M. Paulson, Jr., is a business leader, conservationist, statesman, and author who is the founder and chairman of the Paulson Institute and executive chairman of TPG Rise Climate. He served as the 74th U.S. Secretary of the Treasury from 2006 to 2009, where he led the response to the...
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Episode Guests

Ely Ratner

Ely Ratner

Principal | The Marathon Initiative

Ely Ratner is a principal at The Marathon Initiative and senior adviser at Clarion Strategies. He served as assistant secretary of defense for Indo-Pacific security affairs from 2021 to 2025 and as deputy national security adviser to Vice President Joe Biden from 2015 to 2017. He has also worked in...
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Evan Feigenbaum

Evan Feigenbaum

Vice President for Studies | Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Evan A. Feigenbaum is an American political scientist currently serving as vice president for studies at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He was the U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs from 2006 to 2009 during the George W. Bush administration.
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